Episode Transcript
[00:00:08] Speaker A: Hey guys, welcome to the podcast. Brian Phillips here with you today. And I'm with a great friend of mine, Pastor Dr. Bishop. How many other titles we got? Man, now I'm just messing with him. Dr. Robert Cobb. Great man, respected man. So we're here today. We want to talk about. Today we want to talk about doing the right thing. What does it mean? And we want to start off with, you know, recently that in the trending news of our culture, we have Daniel Penny, who did the right thing.
[00:00:37] Speaker B: Amen.
[00:00:38] Speaker A: And then we have Lily Phillips sleeping with 100 men in a day who did the wrong thing.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: So.
[00:00:45] Speaker A: Yeah, and I feel sorry for her. I mean, obviously, I don't know. I don't even know much about only fans, but when I heard about this, it was just a terrible thing, a terrible idea. She released a video, some guys documentary, and this whole thing is disgusting. But of her. She was crying afterwards. Yeah, well, no.
Choices, consequences, choices.
Well, then I heard she was wanting to do this with a thousand men. Yeah, this is ridiculous. And, but see, our culture is a little bit like while we're disgusted, we're also way more accepting of that because we're all sexual. You know, we've all been sexually.
I don't know. Sex is an idol in our culture is what I'm trying to say.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: Well, sex was a beautiful thing given to us by God. You can read it about in the Song of Solomon and the apostle Paul talks about it. I mean, the first time I remember reading the Song of Solomon, I thought, wow, my temperature is increasing here. But that was all in the context of marriage. I mean, for some folks don't understand covenant. Covenant. Covenant marriage.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: Covenant. I mean, covenant's a word that, I mean, do people even know what that means today?
[00:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah, they don't, you know, well, the covenant, the agreement, the contract. And people don't understand adultery. They think it's just. They'll just say, well, it's having sex with someone who's not your spouse. Okay, but let's take a little, let's dive a little deeper. It means taking the affection and allegiance, affection and allegiance and giving it to someone else who doesn't deserve it. Where the affection and the allegiance is supposed to be to your husband or wife.
[00:02:32] Speaker A: Well, and that's why God, that's when Jesus. Think about Jesus saying, if you look at a woman with lust, he uses that word, you committed adultery.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: And that's why also.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: But he's saying that you gave your affection and your. What else did you say?
[00:02:45] Speaker B: Affection, an allegiance.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Allegiance. Give Your affection and your allegiance to someone. That's why the Bible calls us whores, and we'll never call God a whore.
[00:02:53] Speaker B: Brian. You know, that was really good. Because I was thinking in my mind, think about. That's why, for example, when you look at churches today, they're committing spiritual adultery. They're giving their affection and allegiance to someone other than the Lord. And Jesus by holy Scripture is enlightened by the Holy Spirit, who never contradicts Jesus or holy Scripture. Take a look what's happened in the PC usa, our old denomination. They are now.
[00:03:18] Speaker A: Didn't you send a link out the other day? I mean, some kind of something to do with lgbtq. Is that right?
[00:03:23] Speaker B: Horrific.
[00:03:25] Speaker A: Did I read that right?
[00:03:26] Speaker B: You read it, right?
[00:03:27] Speaker A: No, I didn't even read the article. I just read the link. Yeah, I was like. It's all I needed to see was the.
[00:03:31] Speaker B: They have now said that pastors who do not affirm the lbgtq, ESPN ACLU agenda, that if they don't, they're out. They. They cannot be. They cannot have credentials.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: And, you know, I'm going to say it right now. That's why we had a red wave. Yeah. Because. And while we had. We have victory on a. On a November 5th.
We've got a lot of work.
Oh, my gosh. I mean, it's. Because November 5th should have. I mean, it's like we showed up pretty late to the party. The world's about to fall apart, and we're like, oh, you know, at least we did the right thing. So I'm happy about that.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: But the margins.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: We did the right thing, but we've got so much work to do.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: We've got so much work.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: I mean, how can you. How can a denomination.
This is a beautiful church. When I walked in, I was like, I want your church one day. I just, you know, I love your location. I love the grocery switch for.
[00:04:28] Speaker B: In the midst of the marketplace. In the midst of the marketplace place.
[00:04:32] Speaker A: Oh. But anyway, this is a beautiful place. You've done a great job here, man.
[00:04:35] Speaker B: Well, it's been transformed. Especially.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: You were wise. You stepped out. You did the right thing. That's doing the right thing. You know, but how can a denomination push bully? And that's this whole spirit. It's a bully Jezebel Bow. Kiss the ring or you're out. You know, and even churches are canceling their pastors, canceling people all. It's all satanic. There's. I'm sorry. I'll let you talk.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. You're Right on target. I remember one of my. When you read the letter, Jude's letter, and he says the bad guys, they slither in like snakes and they assume authority and so on. You know, take a look. And whether it's Peace, usa, Elka, all of the Alphabet soup of denominations, which, by the way, the Apostle Paul did not like, or Jesus read the high priestly prayer, or 1 Corinthians chapter 1. Won't go into that right now. But the whole point is they water down and tone down. And why do they do that? Because they have pastors who have slipped in, like Jude says, and they really never believed they're apostate. Right. They were apostate coming in. And it's not that they lost their salvation. They never had salvation. You know, you can't give away what you ain't got for yourself. And that's what happened.
[00:05:52] Speaker A: Like the innovators, the initiators, those with apostolic calling, who are, who are sent ones. I mean, I mean, you know, you look at John Wesley. I'm talking about founders starters. You know, he wouldn't, he would hate the Methodist Church today.
[00:06:07] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: You know, he was on fire. He would go in there, absolutely kick probably 85, 90 of them out of there.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: They, you know, we were talking about a tender subject before we went on air, and, and it's not important to talk about that particular. But, but one of the things that I've had to say for the last half century is don't blame Jesus for church people who need more of Jesus in them.
And I like what you say.
Are you a follower of Jesus? Don't call yourself, are you a follower of Jesus? You're big on that. Talk a little bit about your father.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: Well, doing the right thing.
[00:06:49] Speaker B: Yeah, doing the right thing.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: Well, I mean, so here I summarize it. You know, the longer you do something, the better you can summarize things. Right. Like, so, I mean, meaning it's not our works that save us. There's not one work that you and I could do to save us. And the problem is with a lot of corrupt, corrupt movements out there, like the Catholic Church, they, they, they, they leverage people's shame and guilt to get them to work. And, and I'm not saying extensively, but the whole thing's kind of set up wrong.
And I'll tell you why. I'm not a mediator as a shepherd. I'm not a mediator between people and God.
[00:07:25] Speaker B: No, no.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: Shepherds don't follow sheep, but I'm a mediator between.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: No, you're a true shepherd. You're a true shepherd.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: But I'm a mediator between the sheep, the people, my community, and Satan. That's where I stand.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: Well, one of the reasons there's any.
[00:07:38] Speaker A: Where I stand in the middle. But here's the thing. Our works don't save us, but our works do prove that we're saved. Excellent. Yes, we have to.
[00:07:46] Speaker B: Right in the line with John Calvin and Martin Luther. John Calvin said, you show the signs of your salvation. The apostle Paul In Galatians, Chapter 5, he talked about the fruit of the Spirit. There's evidence to prove. Calvin said, you showed the signs of your salvation. And Luther said, good works don't make a person good, but a good person does good works. In other words, put it this way, our behavior does not save us. However, our behavior indicates what we believe, which saves us.
So you're right on target.
[00:08:15] Speaker A: So we got Lily Phillips sleeping with 100 guys in one day, and that's a terrible thing. And biblically, the Bible talks about not awakening love until it so desires.
So the Jewish boys growing up couldn't even read the Song of Solomon. They couldn't read because of that stuff. It's too. It's too arousing. It's too metaphor. It's too captures your imagination in ways that 13, 14, 15 year old boys don't need to be done, but it's.
And that's the. And we live in a culture that's like, basically like the opposite of the scriptures. Like, wake up the LGBTQ communities, you know, trying to whore our children to satanic rituals. I mean, it's just. It's just. So the red wave came, and that was whether people are godly following Christ. You know, we talked about, you know, that you threw that in there. It's like, yeah, don't wear your cross and check your doctrine box. I mean, that's how we got in this problem. If you're not a disciple of Christ and you don't know what a disciple is, go learn that. I'll train you. Pastor Bob will train you. But don't. The problem with this world is people who call themselves Christians and yet have no desire to learn or yield or grow. And God knows we're not perfect. I mean, I think about that more in my driving.
I drive pretty rough, by the way I drive.
[00:09:33] Speaker B: I heard you come to the parking lot today.
[00:09:35] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: I want to come back, though. Something you said caught my attention. You're always catching my attention. But this thing caught my attention when you said the battle is not Over. Take a look at the margins of this victory. One of the things that astounds me was this a clear big win for Donald Trump, who I believe, I mean, I say this enthusiastically, without equivocation, without apology. I think Donald Trump is God's man for this time now. But one of the things that caught my attention is, okay, he got 76 million votes, praise the Lord that he had more popular votes than Kamala Harris. So that all the ignorant people who don't know they're a republic and it's not the popular vote, they don't understand the electoral college because they're too stupid and they have crazy crappy teachers that didn't teach what this republic is all about. But she got 74 million votes, right? He got 76. So 76 million. Praise the Lord. Oh, 74 million votes again. Okay, so we have the Senate, we have 53 senators, they still have 47.
[00:10:47] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: And then we have a two person plurality in the House. Now, again, I don't think that all Republicans love Jesus, but I'll tell you what, there is a big difference between the platform of the DNC and the gop. Take a look at it. And this is one of the reasons I said during, I said this many times during the campaign season. I want to thank Brian for encouraging me not to back off, to be a brave heart, not a faint heart for Jesus. And I would say to people, I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, but I'm going to tell you who to vote against.
You cannot vote for Kamala Harris. You cannot vote for Eric Sorensen because of what their platforms are.
[00:11:32] Speaker A: You cannot vote. You can't do that and call yourself a Christian.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: Right, Exactly.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You can vote for them all day long, but don't call it. Don't claim Christ, don't say Christian. See, we like to make, we like to try to make the opposite true. So like, well, if you're going to say I can't be a Christian, do this, then, then, you know, then we'd like to, and we should wrestle with the other side of that statement. Well, does that mean just because I vote Republican or whatever I'm voting means, I'm a Christian that way.
[00:11:56] Speaker B: For example, the chick that we're talking.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: About, the values, you know, and then people want to dismantle Trump because he's, you know, he's got a speckled past and issues and problems and. But this is a man who's got a set of balls and he's like standing up for the right things. The guy almost dies for our country. I mean, and it's all in the, in the aspect of morality. I mean, he's, he's hitting, he's aiming for biblical values. And I don't think he's playing, I don't think he's playing a game. I don't think he's playing the church. And if he is, and if he ever gets deceived down that path, then so be it. We'll know that in that hour. But I think for right now, I think his motives are true towards the American. I think that's why all these people are leaving the Democratic Party. And I don't know, Trump has like his whole own party. Like, he's not, it's not Republican because I'm not a Dave Severson fan. I mean, I know it's going on a record.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: Oh boy, going to be in trouble.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: Hey, I'm not talking for you. I'm just saying I'm not, I'm not like this old school, be in politics forever, get rich, I mean, build your casino, great job. But you know, I'm not into the whole, like, I can't tell you how.
[00:12:59] Speaker B: Much I love this guy. This guy. When I'm not saying it, he is saying it. When he's not saying it, I'm saying it.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: But there's a Republican Party that's old and staunchy and hey, you know, they didn't support my boy Darren Bailey, right? And I didn't, I don't like that. I mean, because Bailey was endorsed by Trump. And in my mind I'm like, because doing the right thing would be to support Bailey. And if all the Republicans that I'm referencing would support Bailey, we would have a different governor right now and Illinois would be on a path that our country is about to be on. But oh no, we had to have this whole cocky mindset of like, it's just, it makes me sick when I don't see people do the right thing. So Republicans are not like these perfect people. Trump has his own whatever the heck he's got. I mean, he's pulling people from all sides.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: Well, the chick that you mentioned again who's been Lily, you know, Jesus did not come for a good moments, he came for a bad moment. What I always tell people is the reality is when you find yourself in sin, that's exactly why Jesus came. But with Lily, I mean, we're talking about a plethora of sin after sin, after sin. And you know, I see no signs of salvation there. She needs a Damascus Road experience or a slow nurturing like Timothy with a godly mother, grandmother or something.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Well, we live in this culture, creates only fans so that people can do basically sex acts and get paid for it, building their followers. And we can't just. Jesus says, what is a prophet man? To gain the whole world and that you'll lose and forfeit your soul.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: I feel very sorry.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: We can't endorse immorality.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: But our denominations are the mainline denominations that have moved to the sideline of Christianity. The mainline denominations, and by the way, ags, Evie Free, all the rest of them, they're in the main line now because they're constantly watering down, they're constantly toning down. They don't have balls out for Jesus.
They're not saying, pay attention. One of the reasons I love this guy and I love what you said about Darren Bailey. And so I'm.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: And I don't mean to be busting names out here. That was never the plan.
[00:15:29] Speaker B: That was not our plan.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: I pray that God would direct our words.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: But this is the prophetic thing. Here's the prophetic thing. And Brian. I'll speak for Brian. Brian is the line of the Nabi Old Testament, the prophetess, New Testament. Pay attention to God, Stop paying attention to Pharaoh. Stop paying like five years ago. Well, we close down the churches because we're afraid of the virus. I'm not afraid of the virus. I fear God. Exodus chapter one. Why did the midwives. Why were the midwives blessed by God? Because they feared God, not Pharaoh. And when you say those things, you do and you mention some people by name. Well, some of these people need to be called out.
[00:16:12] Speaker A: Hey, I told them to face that too. So I'm not being.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: Let me, let me mention a name. Let me mention a name in a positive way. Derek Coons is running for mayor of Rockford.
He knows you, you went to the Master school together.
And very, very solid Christian guy. He's running for mayor of Rockford. He doesn't have a chance to win against McNamara by human terms. Not only that, a lot of people that I know will not endorse him because he know they don't believe he can win. You know what I'm saying? And so the reality is, it was like when Joe McGraw, when we are on the back porch and God told us Joe should run for Congress and we wanted him, we wanted Joe to win. We thought it would be great for the republic, great for the kingdom, but that was not the point. Winning the point was to be faithful. We want to win. Yeah, but the point is to be faithful.
[00:17:11] Speaker A: That's a good point.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: You and I and a few other pastors we know because most pastors are whores today. Most pastors are whores. All they care about are their perks and their pensions and their popularity. They don't give anything about in terms of just being faithful to God. They're afraid to talk against same sex marriage because there are a lot of people having same sex marriages. They're afraid to speak against abortion. They're afraid to say to people, just confess, repent, be forgiven. No, I'll tell you what.
God doesn't mean that thou shall not commit adultery unless, you know, like you're really in love, then it's okay. In other words, they watered down everything so that they are acceptable. And you and I have seen that. And that's why you know Matthew chapter 10. And you had an experience with someone close to you recently.
Jesus was not kidding. He said, you're going to be hated, but you have a choice to make. And it's just like, lily, what are the consequences of the choice? You choose Jesus, you're going to live forever and you're not going to live miserably right now. You're going to endure, you're going to overcome. The rain's going to fall on you, but you're not going to drown.
[00:18:20] Speaker A: Well, I think, I think to have a success mindset in your call of God in your ministry, if you're really going to honor God with it, of the successful mindset that you have to have, is that you are going to be hated. And that's hard to get used to because we live in a day and day of popularity. How many views did I get? How many likes did I get? You know, we live in that social media buzz. How much money do I have? How prosperous am I? How all this stuff that gets. We subconsciously judge everybody by, and I do it, we're all guilty of it. But when you really sign on to honor the Father and you want to, and that doesn't mean that you're perfect by any stretch of imagination. But when you sign on to be like God, I'm going to take them, take hits for you. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go after the.
[00:19:02] Speaker B: Truth, but I'm not gonna water it down. I'm not gonna, I'm gonna do the right gospel, right? I'm not gonna water it down because.
[00:19:09] Speaker A: It'S the right thing. I don't do it because certain politician Likes or this one doesn't. I like Darren Bailey because that's the right thing to do. I like Trump because it's the right thing. They stand for the right gras, you know. Yeah. And I have this so kind of shifting gears a little bit to Daniel Penny.
You know, he's on the subway. We don't go through all the details, but I went through some of the.
I listened to the. Some of the stories that came out of the courtroom, and it's like, man, what that guy was facing, he. He's a former Marine, and he. He had to make a decision if he was going to do the right thing, Right. And then he. And he does because people were getting threatened and the threat was growing and. And then he gets involved and he stops the threat. Obviously ends in a way that he didn't. I don't think he foresaw that or desired that, but, you know, and then what do we do with that? You know, people of color want to turn. You know, although I'm a person of color, we're all a certain color, right? We're all colorful. We're all different pigments. We're all different pigments of brown. We're actually. We're actually all one color. We're just different pigments.
But it's not a race issue. This is. Just did the right thing.
[00:20:16] Speaker B: Here is what.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: I'm glad that he got off because I hope that I'll be that brave. I have been in the past. You know, I may not be able. I'm not claiming I can take everybody down to be everybody up. That's not my claim. But my claim is I'm not going to back down. And you might know, you might walk away knowing we're tangling together too. You know, I might hurt you. You might hurt me. You might kill me. You know what? You know, it's just one of those things that you can't be afraid to step in. And then guys like you and me, shepherds, sheepdog types, if I step in, I gotta face the courts. It was encouraging because he wasn't being evil in his intentions. He was just trying to be a good patriot, good American, and save and protect good civilians. And that was encouraging to me. So thank you, Daniel Penny, for stepping up.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: This guy's theology is so on target.
The good shepherd, the good shepherd and the under shepherds to the good shepherd and the under shepherds, parents and so on. The undershephers are the good shepherd. What does the under shepherd do? He picks up his rod and his staff and what he does is he protects the sheep and he beats away, beats down, and if necessary, uses lethal force against the wolves so that the wolves don't ravage a sheep. And one of your favorite guys in history, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, put it this way, and the cost of discipleship. He wrote this, I think, in 1934, 1937. And this was his rationale for being an under shepherd to the good shepherd to try to assassinate Adolf Hitler. Now, I want to keep you in mind that when he was hung for trying to assassinate Adolf Hitler, as he was being led to the gallows in Flossenburg, he turned to young English Lieutenant Payne Best and said, this is the end. Offered me the beginning of life. Oh, is that great? And so that's Matthew, chapter 10. You're going to be hated, but you're going to live with me forever. Okay, here's what Dietrich Bonhoeffer said that Daniel Penney understood. Whether you ever read Dietrich Bonhoeffer or not, and that was that. It is not only my responsibility as a Christian follower of Jesus under shepherd to the good shepherd, it is not only my responsibility to care for the victims of a madman who's got behind the wheel of a motor car, but to do everything I can to take the madman away from the wheel of the motor car.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: And that's what Daniel Penny did.
[00:22:41] Speaker A: That's right, yeah. It's simple. And I think in our. In our everyday following Christ, reading your devotions, all that stuff, if all that's for nothing, in my opinion, if you're not doing the right thing, and that's where sanctification comes in. It's a process. That's why community is important, because we gotta. We need to be vulnerable and open to others. They need to be able to see us, see our struggles. You know, I can confess my sins to God, the Bible says, and he forgives, and I'm thankful for that.
[00:23:08] Speaker B: Amen.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: But when I confess my sins to you, and I have confessed my sins to you, it says I'm healed.
[00:23:14] Speaker B: Amen.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: You know, because when I confess my sins to Bob, because I don't do it with every single person, but you're one of my brothers and I'm accountable to you.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: And.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: And so, you know, and then you know my struggles. You're older than me, you've been through a lot of stuff and, you know, so, like, you can speak into my life with that. But. And then, and then you grow. Then you grow, right? And then there's a process of growth. It's a process. It's a, that's why I always say it's not about perfection, it's about pursuit. It's not, you know, did you live perfectly today? Okay, you made some mistakes, but where's your heart? Where are you pursuing? Where are you going? And are you doing the right thing? Are you growing and doing the right thing? And what I mean by that is overcoming temptations, engaging self control, allowing the fruit of the spirit to manifest in you. I mean, those are the right things that we ought to be doing. Thinking on heavenly things and bringing the heaven, bringing the kingdom of God into the earth, you know, So I mean as long as you're increasing in doing the right things, you're, you're, you're going the right way. You know. One of my friends, well, I do this with a good number of people, but one of my friends, Greg Green, we always, early on in his development for Christ, we always use this phrase, you know. But your trajectory, where's this trajectory? Because his wife Victoria be like, they, they own Midwest, it's a big growing company. They're, they're really amazing. Great blessing. But it was funny. She, she's, she's Hispanic and she's got like volcano blood inside of her, you know, and she's like a sister to me. So I'm always in, she would come in the early days. I don't know if I can do this, Greg. You know, I'm like, and I always be like, just calm down. But his trajectory, but you look at his trajectory, but you know, that's a true thing. You got to look at your trajectory like we're. If you're going steadily up towards righteousness and towards doing the right thing.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: It's interesting you talk that we have. There's so many commonalities between us, Brian.
I sometimes view it as, I tell folks that the trajectory is like this.
We begin when we receive Jesus into our lives as Lord and Savior. And we start, the trajectory goes up. But then we have some moments and we have some bad moments. But it is still the closer we get to Jesus, we have less and less bad moments. And it will not be perfected, of course, until we graduate.
[00:25:31] Speaker A: Well, hey, man, you got anything else? I think we're kind of nailed this.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: No, just keep Christ and Christmas, friends, Christ and Christmas.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: But hey, you know what? On that note, there's a lot of work to do. There really is. There's a lot of work to do. My passion is to end wokeism. My passion is to extinguish it. From the face of the earth. And I know that's the heart of God, too.
Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't, but that's gonna be my aim.
[00:25:54] Speaker B: Okay. I'm not gonna let him close yet. Because I want to ask you, I have this feeling, and you tell me if I'm wrong, that God has given Judge Joe McGraw, you and me, a call to go after weenie pastors.
[00:26:13] Speaker A: I'll let you handle that.
I don't know if I have the patience.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: Okay, that's. I know you don't have the patience for that, but what I mean by, you know. Revelation, chapter 18. 4. Come out of those churches where you are.
[00:26:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Come out of the.
[00:26:29] Speaker B: You know.
[00:26:29] Speaker A: Or come out of her Jezebel.
[00:26:31] Speaker B: Right. Come out.
[00:26:31] Speaker A: Come out of Babylon.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: I gotta tell you what, I don't know why some of you people go to these churches where Jesus says they're making people twice as fit for hell as they are themselves.
[00:26:42] Speaker A: If you're not.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: If you're not in a church, that's. You're not going to find a perfect church, first of all. But if you're not in a church. That's right. Passionate about discipleship.
[00:26:50] Speaker B: Amen.
[00:26:50] Speaker A: And building community.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: Amen.
Okay, you could close. I just. That was a little outburst.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: Yeah. No, but I mean. But that's. This is the stuff people. I think they enjoy more. It's funny, when I come to do a podcast with my friend, we don't ever have a plan.
[00:27:06] Speaker B: No, we know.
[00:27:07] Speaker A: We just.
[00:27:07] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: He's like, what are we talking about today? And I'm like, I don't know. Maybe this or that. And he's like, all right, sounds good. That's what I love. Because I'm not a big plan guy. I mean, I'm planned, but you can go with my style is what I'm saying.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: No, I love it. I love it. I also remember this one time I was.
[00:27:25] Speaker A: We're two preachers. We're trying to close. We just can't.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: We're trying to close. But I was at Trappist Monastery many years ago that I used to hang out Assumption Abbey in Ava, Missouri. And I'll never forget the abbot told me about the time Henry Nouwen went to a monastery for a personal retreat, and there were a group of young students who asked him to lead a retreat for him while he was in a retreat to get away from everyone. And now. And went to the abbot and said, I'm just trying to get some recharging of myself. And now these young people want me to talk to him about the journey of getting closer to Jesus. And the Abbot said, if you have to prepare to talk about Jesus, you're not that close to Jesus.
So that's why we do. We can come and Brian can say, well, let's talk about this. Yeah. I said, okay, let's go for it.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, we were talking about doing the right thing today and we have a culture in grace ops set up to help you do the right thing.
We're here to help you forge brotherhood and I want to invite you to just go to our website, graceups.net we also have dot com. But you'll find right there in the center of our whole world, the five star charge. And it's our five values is honor, affection, liberty, war and valor. And we're I want to ask you to sign start your seven day challenge. Sign up through SMS and your email and we take you through short tiny content pieces for seven days just to introduce you to the culture. Just to get you started with us. God wants to do a lot with grace ops and he wants to use this messaging to help you grow and be a counter punch to cheap grace and be a man that.
[00:29:16] Speaker B: Amen.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: A man after God. A man who pursues him so well. Hey, until next time, as we always say, live upright.
[00:29:22] Speaker B: Amen.
[00:29:22] Speaker A: God bless.
